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Edited by George E. Collingwood. Differences of opinion as to wording and meaning of train rules and orders have always existed. This department is edited by a practical train dispatcher of wide experience, and a student of the subject. No member should, however, permit any opinion expressed in these columns to influence him to depart from the rules or established customs of the road on which he is employed.
EDITOR FORUM— Will you kindly answer the following:
Order No. 10—To C. & E. of Eng. 496 at C: Eng. 496 will run extra from C to F and return to A.
Some of our men claim that Eng. 496 cannot return to where it has not been and others claim it can.
Parkersburg, W. Va. J. W. WILSON.
ANSWER-The word "return” used in this order means to turn back. We think the order is perfectly proper and that Eng. 496 can run extra C to F and return to A. It is all right for you to go to New York by the way of Washington and return via Buffalo. This, we think, is the sense in which the word is used in order mentioned.
leave C until No. 47 gets there, but this is only partly true, for order No. 15 has changed the schedule time of No. 47 at B to 8 a. m. and No. 60 is free to arrange any work they may have at C accordingly. Then, should No. 47 be allowed to disregard order No. 15 because they thought it was not necessary to obey it, it would be delegating a power to trainmen that would prove dangerous.
Editor FORUM—Please give me your opinion on the following question:
No. 47, second class train, west bound, leaves A at 11 p. m. holding order No. 15, which reads: "No. 47 will wait at B until 8 a. m. for No. 60." No. 60 is a third class train, east bound. On arrival of No. 47 at B at 7 a. m., No. 47 receives order No. 16, reading: 'No. 47 and No. 60 will meet at C." What time can No. 47 leave B? I claim order No. 15 has not been annulled, fulfilled or superseded, and No. 47 cannot leave B until 8 a. m. We are working under standard code. MEMBER Division 275.
ANSWER-Under standard code rule orders once in effect continue so until fulfilled, superseded or annulled, and the only way an order can be superseded is by adding to the prescribed forms the words "instead of —-." So order No. 16 does not supersede order No. 15, and order No. 15 being still in force must be obeyed. It may be argued that No. 47 may, safely proceed as No. 60 cannot
Editor Forum-Will you kindly give a decision on the following:
E is a schedule passing station for No. 1 to pass No. 15, both first class trains. The following order placed at C: "C. & E. all west bound trains: No. 1 will run 30 minutes late C to J." No. 15 gets a copy of this order at C. Can No. 15 leave E before No. 1 passes 15 on this order. Our rule 93-a says: “At schedule passing stations between trains of the same class, the train to be passed, unless otherwise directed by special order, will remain at such point until the expected train has passed.” This has caused considerable discussion between the men. Some think the time order on No. 1 is sufficient for No. 15 to leave E and go to J for No. 1; others think No. 15 has no right to use time order to leave E ahead of No. 1. Kingston, N. Y.
M. J. C. ANSWER-Under your rules the runlate order is not authority for No. 15 to go beyond the passing point. The explanation under this form E order reads: "(1) and (2) make the schedule time of the train named between the stations mentioned, as much later as stated in the order, and any other train receiving the order is required to run with respect to this later time, as before required to run with respect to the
regular schedule time." You will note that this order is not a proper order to advance No. 15 beyond the passing point for the reason that No. 15 is a train of the same class and is not required to clear the schedule time of No. 1. No. 15 may be 30 minutes late, still they have a right under the rules to go to E, so that an order that No. 1 runs 30 minutes late does not relieve them from observing the passing point at E as they are not clearing the schedule time of No. 1 but are running to a fixed passing point, and the only proper order to advance them on would be form B, reading: “No. 1 will pass No. 15 at G." This gives the train another positive passing point in place of the positive passing point fixed by the timetable.
EDITOR FORUM—I am up against a real proposition that both Conductors and Engineers are divided on.
The following is the case as clearly as I can state it:
second class train, leaving A without any signals, arrived at B. No. 12 has a helper engine on rear of train and at B the helper engine becomes disabled. Conductor sets out the helper engine, caboose and part of train on siding which clears main line. He closes switch for main line, and leaves the tail lights burning and a Mexican brakeman in charge of train, claiming he told brakeman to hold ali trains until he returned from C, where he went with head end of train, which was at top of hill, where helper is always taken off. I leave A following No. 12 about two hours and thirty minutes later with orders to run extra A to D with right of track against No. 11, extra 500 and extra 547 A to C top of hill, but I wait at B until 11:10 p. m. for No. 11, extra 500 and extra 547 north. I arrive at B at 11:10 p. m., find No. 12, helper engine and caboose with markers burning, in on siding, main line cleared and switch closed. the brakeman and ask what they are doing, He replies that they are doubling hill, and that he has no instructions about flagging or holding any one, nor has he a note from conductor of No. 12 to any train following No. 12 to remain at B for the return of No. 12's engine. I also ask engineer of disabled engine at B if he has any instructions to hold any train; his reply is that he has none and knows nothing of flag being left
there. I ask helper engineer when No. 12's engine left B, and from time they left until the time it was then, gave the engine doubling time enough to have gone to C and return and be well on the way back to C with second cut. After this information I figure if I stay at B and No. 12's engine has gone to C intending to get orders to return for their rear end, which they should do, that they could not get them account that I had left A before they arrived at C, consequently if I stay at B, No. 12's engine has no way to return to B against anything that might be following them and they have cleared main line and left no flag, and if I stay at B No. 12's engine can't return and No. 11, extra 500, No. 12 and myself are tied up indefinitely; consequently I proceed and about 2 kileomters north of C meet No. 12's engine coming flagging No. 11 and extra 500 to B against me. We did not hit, is best of all.
A Mexican brakeman without a note in Mexico is not considered a flag. The Mexican brakeman told me he had no instructions to flag any one and told at the investigation that he told me so; also the conductor of No. 12 says that he did not give brakeman a note to hold any one at B for his return. There is also another short hill on this division of the National R. R. that all freight trains double, and a bulletin requiring trains doubling to place their rear end on siding and that their caboose will be a flag to hold all other freight trains until engine returns for rest of train.
This bulletin only applies to this particular hill, which is on another district of division. This would leave one to believe that a caboose at any other point would not be regarded as a flag. The extra 547 mentioned in this case was No. 12's helper engine that became disabled. I was extra 515 south.
MEMBER DIVISION 261. San Luis Potosi, Mex.
ANSWER—From our viewpoint and apparently under Mexican rules, No. 12 should have left a note with the Mexican brakeman, as they intended to return for rear of train without orders. gard to the extra passing the rear of No. 12, we think it is poor policy for an inferior train to pass the rear portion of a superior train without special instruction to do so.
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W. G. Koch has been appointed train Fred M. Chase has been appointed genmaster of the Missouri, Kansas & Texas, eral manager of the Lehigh Valley Coal at Parsons, Kan.
Company, with headquarters at WilkesF. T. Mooney has been appointed
barre, Pa trainmaster of the Illinois Central at J. A. Warner has resigned as assistant New Orleans, La.
general superintendent of the New York,
New Haven & Hartford, at Hartford, S. C. Hoge has been appointed general
Conn., and the office has been abolished. manager of the Louisiana and Arkansas, with office at Stamps, Ark.
Willlam Matthie, heretofore trainJ. H. Abrams has been appointed su
master of the Chicago Great Western at perintendent of the Colorado & South
Clarion, Ia., has been appointed supereastern, with headquarters at Hastings,
intendent of terminals at Oelwein, Ia. Colo.
W. J. Donovan, heretofore trainmasM. Sheehan has been appointed as
ter of the Kansas City Southern at Pittssistant superintendent of the Texas & burg, Kan., has been appointed superinNew Orleans, with headauarters at tendent of terminals at Kansas City, Mo. Houston, Tex.
W. W. Millar, trainmaster of the MisW. T. Tyler, general superintendent souri, Kansas & Texas at Denison, Tex., of the St. Louis, Iron Mountain & South has been appointed superintendent of ern, with headquarters at Little Rock, the Fort Worth & Denver City, with Ark., has resigned.
office at Childress, Tex. William S. King has been appointed
W. R. Baker, assistant to the presigeneral superintendent of the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley, with headquarters appointed vice-president and general
dent of the Canadian Pacific, has been at Memphis, Tenn.
manager of the Kingston & Pembroke, E. Wilson has been appointed train
with headquarters at Montreal, Que. master of the Fort Worth & Rio Grande and St. Louis, San Francisco & Texas, at
George Reith, heretofore superintendFort Worth, Tex.
ent of terminals of the Chicago, Great
Western at Oelwein, Ia., has been apS. A. Cherry, heretofore master of pointed superintendent of the Tidetrains of the Tennessee Central at Nash water Railway, with offices at Norfolk, ville, Tenn., has been appointed train Va. master of the Illinois Central.
C. L. Vaughn has been appointed F. T. Robertson, heretofore general train master of the Algona Central & superintendent of the Montana Railroad, Hudson Bay, in addition to his duties as has been appointed general manager, car accountant, with jurisdiction to end with office at Helena, Mont.
of line. Headquarters, Sault Ste. Marie, S. D. Brooks has been appointed su
Ont, perintendent and general auditor of the Minnesota & Northern Wisconsin, with
W. H. Gatcher, heretofore special inheadquarters at Scanlon, Minn.
spector of stations of the Southern, with
headquarters at Washington, D. C., has B. C. Byers has been appointed train been appointed superintendent of the master of the Cairo division, north, of Nashville division, and Mr. E. G. Bethe Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. ment, heretofore master of transportaLouis, and T. J. Hayes has been ap tion of the Tennessee Central, has been pointed train master of the Cairo di appointed trainmaster of the Nashville vision, south.
division of the Southern.
W. C. Hurst, heretofore chief clerk to the general manager of the Detroit, Toledo & Ironton, has been appointed superintendent of that road, with headquarters at Springfield, O.
H. A. Worcester, heretofore assistant general superintendent of the Michigan Central, has been appointed general superintendent of that road, with headquarters at Detroit, Mich.
Blaine Gavett, heretofore trainmaster of the Pere Marquette at Taverse City, Mich., has been transferred to Ionia, Mich., in a similar capacity, in charge of the Saginaw and Ionia divisions and branches.
George H. Daniels retires as general passenger agent of the New York Central & Hudson River, and becomes manager of the advertising department of all the New York Central lines, with headquarters at New York.
J. H. Walsh, general freight and passenger agent of the Quebec Central, has been appointed general manager, with headquarters at Sherbrooke, Que., to succeed Frank Grundy, who has been chosen vice-president.
J. J. Skinner has been appointed trainmaster of the Missouri Pacific at Atchison, Kan. W. K. Merrifield has been appointed trainmaster at Concordia, Kan., to succeed Mr. E. H. Holden, assigned to other duties.
George Geiger, heretofore assistant superintendent of the Fort Worth & Denver City at Childress, Tex., has been appointed superintendent of the Southern division of the Kansas City Southern, with headquarters at Texarkana, Tex.
J. W. Mulhern, superintendent of the Hannibal division of the Missouri district of the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, has been appointed superintendent of the Galesburg division of the Illinois district, with office at Galesburg, 111.
H. W. Sheridan has been appointed train master of the McGhee and Monroe districts of the St. Louis, Iron Mountain & Southern, at Monroe, La. W. R. Duley has been appointed train master of the Pine Bluff and Warren districts, at McGhee, Ark.,
E. H. Coapman, heretofore superintendent of the Danville division of the Southern, has been appointed assistant general superintendent of the eastern district, with headquarters at Greensboro, N. C.
H. A. Williams, superintendent of the Savannah division, has been appointed to succeed Mr. Coapman as superintendent of the Danville division, with headquarters at Greensboro, N. C.
A. V. Brown, heretofore superintendent of terminals of the Missouri district of the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, has been appointed superintendent of the Hannibal division of that district, with headquarters at Hannibal, Mo.
Horace Baker has resigned as assistant general superintendent of the Eastern district of the Southern Railway, to accept the position of general superintendent of the St. Louis, Iron Mountain & Southern, with headquarters at St. Louis, Mo.
George A. Clark, heretofore vice-president and general manager of the Tennessee Central, has been appointed vice-president and general manager of the Colorado Southern, New Orleans & Pacific, a projected line, with headquarters at New Orleans, La.
Homer L. Hungerford, trainmaster of the St. Louis division of the Mobile & Ohio, has been transferred to Mobile, Ala., as train master of the Mobile division. Jesse Harper has been appointed trainmaster of the St. Louis division at Murphysboro, Ili.
Walter V. Harvey, heretofore assistant superintendent of the New Orleans & Northeastern at New Orleans, La., has been appointed assistant superintendent and train master of the Alabama & Vicksburg and Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific, with office at Vicksburg, Miss.
F. W. Baldwin, heretofore superintendent of the Pacific division of the National Railroad of Mexico, has been appointed superintendent of transportation of the Interoceanic Railway of Mexico, with headquarters at the City of Mexico. H. L. Newton, superintendent of terminals of the National Railroad of Mexico at the City of Mexico, has been appointed superintendent of the Pacific division, with office at Acambaro, Mex.
Official announcement is made of the appointment of A. J. Stone as assistant general manager of the Erie and its allied and controlled lines, including the Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton, and Chicago, Cincinnati & Louisville, with office at 21 Cortlandt street, New York. J. C. Stewart, general manager of the Erie, has had his jurisdiction extended over the Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton and Chicago, Cincinnati & Louisville. Effective on November 1.
We note with pleasure that Brother R. E. Weaver, of Division 186, has been appointed General Yard Master for the L. & N. Ry. at Gadsden, Ala. They say he makes a good one, too.
We learn from Dr. H.Ward Randolph, of the Pocahontas Hospital, at Cass, W. Va., of a serious accident which happened to Brother J. S. Huff, of Division 208. He was struck by a falling tree on the 23rd of September, causing a rupture of the spleen. Dr. Randolph opened the abdominal cavity, and cut the spleen all away, two quarts of salt water having been injected into the veins. Brother Huff was able to be out of bed in three weeks, and is gaining strength rapidly.
Anyone knowing the whereabouts of former Brother J. J. Payne, of Division 59, kindly communicate same to Brother M. A. Payne, care Reed House, Chattanooga, Tenn.