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ourselves, and in a country where the oppressed are very necessary that a chancellor should be of the re. four times as numerous as their oppressors. So much ligion of the Church of England, how many chancel. for the wisdom of our ancestors-so much for the lors you have had within the last century who have nineteenth century—so much for the superiority of the been bred up in the Presbyterian religion ?-And English over all other nations of the continent. again, how many you have had who notoriously have

Are you not sensible, let me ask you, of the absurdi- been without any religion at all? ty of trusting the lowest Catholics with offices corres- Why are you to suppose that eligibility and election pondent to their situation in life, and of denying such are the same thing, and that all the cabinet will be privilege to the higher? A Catholic may serve in the Catholics, whenever all the cabinet may be Catholics? militia, but a Catholic cannot come into Parliament; You have a right, you say, to suppose an extreme in the latter case you suspect combination, and in the case, and to argue upon it--so have I: and I will supformer case you suspect no combination ; you deliber- pose that the hundred Irish members will one day ately arm ten or twenty thousand of the lowest of the come down in a body, and pass a law compelling the Catholic people ;-and the moment you come to a king to reside in Dublin. * I will suppose that the class of men whose education, honour, and talents, Scotch members, by a similar stratagein, will lay Eng. seem to render all mischief less probable, then you see land under a large contribution of meal and sulphur; the danger of employing a Catholic, and cling to your no measure is without objection, if you sweep the investigating tests and disabling laws. If you tell me whole horizon for danger; it is not sufficient to tell you have enough of members of Parliament, and not me of what may happen, but you must show me a ra. enough of militia, without the Catholics, I beg leave tional probability that it will happen: after all, I to remind you, that by employing the physical force might, contrary to my real opinion, admit all your of any sect, at the same time when you leave them in dangers to exist ; it is enough for me to contend that a state of utter disaffection, you are not adding all other dangers taken together are not equal to the strength to your armies, but weakness and ruin :—if danger of losing Ireland from disaffection and inva. you want the vigour of their common people, you must sion. not disgrace their nobility, and insult their priest- I am astonished to see you, and many good and hood.

well-meaning clergymen beside you, painting the CathI thought that the terror of the pope had been con- olies in such detestable colours; two-thirds, at least, fined to the limits of the nursery, and merely employ- of Europe are Catholics,—they are Christians, though ed as a means to induce young master to enter into his mistaken Christians; how can I possibly admit that small clothes with greater speed, and to eat his break- any sect of Christians, and above all, that the oldest fast with greater attention to decorum. For these and most numerous sect of Christians, are incapable of purposes, the name of the pope is admirable ; but why fulfilling the duties and relations of life; though I do push it beyond? Why not leave to Lord Hawkesbu- differ from them in many particulars, God forbid I ry all farther enumeration of the pope's powers? For sholud give such a handle to infidelity, and subscribe a whole century, you have been exposed to the enmity to‘such blasphemy against our common religion ! of France, and your succession was disputed in two Do you think mankind never change their opinions rebellions; what could the pope do at the period when without formally expressing and confessing that there was a serious struggle, whether England should change? When you quote the decisions of ancient be Protestant or Catholic, and when the issue was Catholic councils, are you prepared to defend all the completely doubtful ? Could the pope induce the Irish decrees of English convocations and universities since to rise in 1715? Could he induce them to rise in 1745 ? the reign of Queen Elizabeth? I could soon make you You had no Catholic enemy when half this island was sick of your uncandid industry against the Catholics, in arms; and what did the pope attempt in the last re- and bring you to allow that it is better to forget bellion in Ireland? But if he had as much power over times past, and to judge and be judged by present the minds of the Irish as Mr. Wilberforce has over opinions and present practice. the mind of a young Methodist, converted the preced. I must beg to be excused from explaining and reing quarter, is this a reason why we are to disgust futing all the mistakes about the Catholics made by men, who inay be acted upon in such a manner by a my Lord Redesdale ; and I must do that nobleman the foreign power? or is it not an additional reason why justice to say, that he has been treated with great diswe should raise up every barrier of affection and kind- respect. Could any thing be more indecent than to ness against the mischiet of foreign influence? But make it a morning lounge in Dublin to call upon his the true answer is, the mischief does not exist. Gng lordship, and to cram him with Arabian-night stories and Magog have produced as much influence upon hu- | about the Catholics? Is this proper behaviour to the man affairs, as the pope has done for this half century representative of majesty, the child of Themis, and past; and by spoiling him of his possessions, and de- the keeper of the conscience in West Britain ?-Whograding him in the eyes of all Europe, Bonaparte has ever reads the letters of the Catholic bishops, in the not taken quite the proper method of increasing his appendix to Sir John Hippesly's very sensible book, influence.

will see to what an excess this practice must have been But why not a Catholic king, as well as a Catholic carried with the pleasing and Protestant nobleman member of Parliament, or of the cabinet ?-Because it whose name I have mentioned, and from thence I wish is probable that the one would be mischievous, and you to receive your answer about excommunication, the other not. A Catholic king might struggle against and all the trash which is talked against the Cathothe Protestantism of the country, and if the struggle lics. was not successful, it would at least be dangerous ; A sort of notion has, by some means or another, but the efforts of any other Catholic would be quite in- crept into the world, that difference of religion would significant, and his hope of success so sinall, that it is render men unfit to perform together the offices of quite improbable the effort would ever be made; my common and civil life; that Brother Wood and Bro. argument is, that in so Protestant a country as Great ther Grose could not travel together the same circuit Britain, the character of her Parliaments and her cab. if they differed in creed, nor Cockell and Mingay be inet could not be changed by the few Catholics who engaged in the same cause if Cockell was a Catholic would ever find their way to the one or the other. and Mingay a Muggletonian. It is supposed that Hus. But the power of the crown is immeasurably greater kisson and Sir Harry Englefield would squabble behind than the power which the Catholics could obtain from the speaker's chair about the Council of Lateran, and any other species of authority in the state ; and it many a turnpike bill miscarry by the sarcastical con. does not follow, because the lesser degree of power is troversies of Mr. Hawkins Brown and Sir John Thockinnocent, that the greater should be so too. As for morton upon the real presence. I wish I could see the stress you lay upon the danger of a Catholic chan- some of these symptoms of earnestness upon the subject cellor, I have not the least hesitation in saying, that of religion; but it really seems to me, that in the prehis appointment would not do a ten-thousandth part sent state of society, men no more think about inquir. of the mischief to the English church that might be ing concerning each other's faith than they do con. done by a methodistical chancellor of the true

Clap- cerning the colour of each other's skins. There may bam breed ; and I request to know, it it is really so have been times in England when the quarter sessions would have been disturbed by the theological polem-, nimity at home, by equalizing rights and privileges, ics; but now, after a Catholic justice had once been what is the ignorant, arrogant, and wicked system seen on the bench, and it had been clearly ascertain which has been pursued ? Such a career of madness ed that he spoke English, had no tail, only a single and of folly was, I believe, never run in so short a row of teeth, and that he loved port-wine,-after all period. The vigour of the ministry is like the vigour the scandalous and infamous reports of his physical of a grave digger,-the tomb becomes more ready and confirmation had been clearly proved to be false, more wide for every effort which they make. There -he would be reckoned a jolly fellow, and very supe is nothing which it is worth while either to take or to rior in flavour to a sly Presbyterian. Nothing, in fact, retain, and a constant train of ruinous expeditions has can be more uncandid and unphilosophical* than to say been kept up. Every Englishman felt proud of the that a man has a tail, because you cannot agree with integrity of his country; the character of the country him upon religious subjects; it appears to be ludi. is lost for ever, It is of the utmost consequence to a crous, but I am convinced it has done infinite mischief commercial people at war with the greatest part of to the Catholics, and made a very serious impression Europe, that there should be a free entry of neutrals upon the minds of many gentlemen of large landed into the enemy's ports; the neutrals who carried our property.

manufactures we have not only excluded, but we have In talking of the impossibility of Catholics and Pro- compelled them to declare war against us.

It was testants living together under the same government, our interest to make a good peace, or convince our do you forget the cantons of Switzerland? You might own people that it could not be obtained ; we have have seen there a Protestant congregation going into not made a peace, and we have convinced the people a church which had just been quitted by a Catholic of nothing but of the arrogance of the foreign secre. congregation; and I will venture to say that the Swiss tary; and all this has taken place in the short space Catholics were more bigoted to their religion than of a year, because a King's Bench barrister and a any people in the whole world. Did the kings of writer of epigrams turned into ministers of slate, Prussia ever refuse to employ a Catholic ? Would were determined to show country gentlemen that the Frederick the Great have rejected an able inan on this late administration had no vigour. In the mean time account? We have seen Prince Czartorinski, a Cath- commerce stands still, manufactures perish, Ireland olic sectretary of state in Russia; in former times, is more and more irritated, India is threatenéd, fresh a Greek patriarch and an apostolic vicar acted toge- taxes are accumulated upon the wretched people, the ther in the most perfect harmony in Venice ; and we war is carried on without it being possible to conceive have seen the Emperor of Germany in modern times any one single object which a rational being can proentrusting the care of his person and the command of pose to himself by its continuation ; and in the midst his guard to a Protestant prince, Ferdinand of Wir- l of this unparalleled insanity, we are told that the con. temberg. But what are all these things to Mr. Perce. tinent is to be reconquered by the want of rhubarb val? He has looked at human nature from the top of and plumbs.* A better spirit than exists in the EngHampstead Hill, and has not a thought beyond the lish people never existed in any people in the world ; little sphere of his own vision. The snail,' say the it has been misdirected, and squandered upon party Hindoos, sees nothing but its own shell, and thinks purposes in the most degrading and scandalous man. it the grandest palace in the universe.'

ner; they have been led to believe that they were I now take a final leave of this subject of Ireland ; benefiting the commerce of England by destroying the the only difficulty in discussing it is a want of re- commerce of America, that they were defending their sistance, a want of something difficult to unravel, and sovereign by perpetuating the bigoted oppression of something dark to illumine; to agitate such a ques. their fellow-subject; their rulers and their guides have tion is to beat the air with a club, and cut down gnats told them that they would equal the vigour of France with a scimitar; it is a prostitution of industry, and a by equalling her atrocity; and they have gone on waste of strength. If a man says I have a good place, wasting that opulence, patience, and courage, which, and I do not choose to lose it, this mode of arguing if husbanded by prudent and moderate counsels, might upon the Catholic question I can well understand; but have proved the salvation of mankind. The same that any human being with an understanding two de policy of turning the good qualities of Englishmen to grees elevated above that of an Anabaptist preacher, their own destruction, which made Mr. Pitt omniposhould conscientiously contend for the expediency and tent, continues his power to those who resemble him propriety of leaving the Irish Catholics in their pre only in his vices; advantage is taken of the loyalty of sent state, and of subjecting us to such tremendous Englishmen, to make them meanly submissive; their peril in the present condition of the world, it is utter. piety is turned into persecution, their courage into ly out of my power to conceive. Such a measure as useless and obstinate contention ; they are plundered the Catholic question is entirely beyond the com because they are ready to pay, and soothed into mon game of politics; it is a measure in which all asinine stupidity because they are full of virtuous parties ought to acquiesce, in order to preserve the patience. It England must perish at last, so let it be; place where and the stake for which they play. If that event is in the hands of God; we must dry up Ireland is gone, where are jobs ? where are rever. our tears and submit. But that England should perish sions ? where is my brother, Lord Arden? where are swindling and stealing ; that it should perish waging my dear and near relations? The game is up, and war against lazar.houses and hospitals; that it should the speaker of the House of Commons will be sent as perish persecuting with monastic bigotry ; that it a present to the menagerie at Paris. We talk of waitshould calmly give itself up to be ruined by the flashy ing from particular considerations, as if centuries of arrogance of one man, and the narrow fanaticism of joy and prosperity were before us; in the next ten another ; these events are within the power of human years our fate must be decided; we shall know, long beings, and I did not think that the magnanimity before that period, whether we can bear up against of Englishmen would ever stoop to such degradations. the miseries by which we are threatened, or not; and

Longum vale: yet, in the very midst of our crisis, we are enjoined to abstain from the most certain means of increasing our

PETER PLYMLEY. strength, and advised to wait for the remedy till the disease is removed by death or health. And now, in.

* Even Allen Park (accustomed as he has always been to stead of the plain and manly policy of increasing una. be delighted by all administrations) says it is too bad; and

Hall and Morris are said to have actually blushed in one of * Vide Lord Bacon, Locke, and Descartes.

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