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should also include the utilization of the stumps and the dead wood, so that as a man produces timber it will be fully utilized, and then reforestry reaches the circle of repeating. We are seeking at all times in what ways we find possible and what suggestion we get from others, to find out how we can better produce naval stores or find possible uses for them; and one thing that has rather impressed me forcibly today is this,-that so much has been said of one dollar being invested in a part of the operation where only seventy-five cents is returned. It occurs to me that if we would take the money that has heretofore been invested where it did not produce the logical and proper result, and invest that in finding and developing the possible and proper uses of naval stores, we would be doing more to conserve our resources and to develop possible profit from them than we can in many other ways. I believe, as Mr. Wernicke said, that much can be done that would open up the possibility of larger consumption, and we would be very glad if every one of those interested in the naval stores industry were to get together and exchange views. We would be very glad to bring up various things that we believe might possibly lead to a larger demand, possibly to recovering markets and uses which have been lost. If we can all get together, not relying on the Federal government, but taking hold ourselves, doing what we can, investing our money in a logical profitable way, we will get the promised result.

I would like to add as one concrete fact which was recently brought to my attention, namely that the slogan, “Save the surface and you save all," with the entire paint and varnish industry in this country behind it, has doubled and trebled the paint and varnish business in this country at a cost to everybody of less than one per cent. Compare that to investing one dollar and only getting back 75 cents for it. I believe in combination, it holds a great deal of promise.

If further meetings are held of people interested in naval stores, when they get ready to exchange views and get the common combined experiences of the business, we would be very glad to come with you, because we are trying to advance and double our profits in the naval stores industry.

Mr. J. S. Holmes, State Forester, Chapel Hill, N. C.: In seconding those resolutions may I say just a word in regard to them. I come from a State where the children in the schools have for the past 100 years been taught that some of the leading products are tar, pitch and turpentine. Of course we have had no appreciable amount of these for many years, but the fiction is still perpetuated. I have been tremendously interested in the vital talks this morning, and I realize that perhaps what you gentlemen say is correct. But I realize, and want it expressed in the resolution, that the end of this business is in sight unless something is done to perpetuate it. We have destroyed the industry in North Carolina, and our meeting here today was particularly for the purpose of seeing if something cannot be done. I believe our purpose is to try and perpetuate this industry. I have noticed that most of the discussion has dealt with increasing the output, increasing the markets and uses of turpentine, but very little has been said about perpetuating the supply. I would suggest that something be added to that resolution, asking the Government to investigate methods whereby the land owners and the operators themselves can help perpetuate the supply. I think it is very important that we who are all interested in the Naval Stores industry should also emphasize that side of the problem in these resolutions.

Mr. Gamble: Are you offering that as an amendment?

Mr. Holmes: Yes, I would like to see it amended in that way.

Member: Would it not be wise to refer these resolutions, pending further development of the purposes of this meeting, to the Resolutions Committee ?

Mr. Gamble: Except for this reason, that this is peculiarly the naval stores day, and the rest of the days, after half an hour or so, will be too taken up with other matters, and there will be no opportunity to get to this again.

The President: Mr. Gamble, if you will allow me, would it not be well to get an expression of opinion while we are all here on the gist of the resolution, and then the Resolutions Committee can incorporate that in their report after they have perfected it?

Mr. Gamble: It goes to the Committee of Seven to prepare an amendment.

The President: Does anybody desire the resolution read again before presenting it for action? The resolution is now before the body. Those in favor will say aye, those opposed no.

The ayes have it, and the resolution is adopted. The President will appoint a committee of seven as provided for in the resolution.

Dr. Austin Cary, U. S. Forest Service, Washington, D. C.: Mr. Wernicke has shot into this meeting some ideas of a very wholesome and important character, and I want to acknowledge that, and emphasize their importance. One is in regard to the turpentine enterprise in the South, that all Naval Stores interests ought to get together. He also stated yesterday that the turpentine industry is an enterprise that has just begun, and with a possibility of markets for its products that we do not yet realize. That is startling, because men have been thinking of this industry as a failing one.

In compliance with the resolution calling for the appointment of a Special Naval Stores Committee of Seven the President appointed the following:

SPECIAL NAVAL STORES COMMITTEE OF SEVEN Mr. J. C. Nash, Chairman.

Savannah, Ga. Mr. A. V. Wood...

.Brunswick, Ga. Mr. J. G. Pace...

Pensacola, Fla. Mr. J. W. LeMaistre..

.Lockhart, Ala. Mr. L. V. Pringle...

.New Orleans, La. Mr. E. C. Gay....

.Biloxi, Miss. Mr. Harry Wilson........

--Jacksonville, Fla. The President also appointed the following Committees :

COMMITTEE ON RESOLUTIONS Mr. E. O. Siecke, Chairman.

.Texas Mr. C. B. Harman...

...

Georgia Mr. A. B. Hastings..

.Virginia Mr. George Wrigley..

.South Carolina Mr. E. C. Gay...

Mississippi Mr. W. L. Barnett..

.Florida Mr. E. H. Frothingham..

.North Carolina Mr. Phillip D. Houston.

.Tennesee Mr. A. A. Benson.....

..Alabama COMMITTEE ON SELECTION OF NEXT PLACE

OF MEETING Mr. H. L. Kayton, Chairman...

Savannah Mr. J. S. Holmes..

..North Carolina Mr. P. R. Camp..

Virginia Mr. C. F. Speh..

..Louisiana Prof. T. D. Burleigh.

.Georgia Mr. J. H. L. Henly.

.Alabama Mr. E. R. McKee...

.Florida Dr. A. C. Moore...

South Carolina

COMMITTEE ON NOMINATIONS Mr. W. D. Tyler, Chairman.

Virginia Mrs. M. E. Judd...

.Georgia Major J. G. Lee.......

.Louisiana Mr. O. M. Butler.

.Washington, D. C. Mr. J. R. Weston..

.Mississippi Mr. W. E. White...

.Florida Mrs. Julia Lester Dillon..

South Carolina DEATH

of

M. L. ALEXANDER

Marcus Lafayette Alexander was Commissioner of Conservation of the State of Louisiana from January 1912 to the day of his death on March 18, 1923. He was born in Mecklenburg County, Va., and died in New Orleans, La., at the age of 58 years.

By motion of the Congress the following resolution is to occupy a page of these proceedings:

RESOLUTION

WHEREAS, this Congress has lost since its last

session, by the death of Colonel M. L. Alexander, one of its most useful, active, and lovable members, one who has left his indelible imprint on the forestry work of not only Louisiana but the entire Nation, therefore

BE IT RESOLVED, that this Congress hereby ex

presses its great sorrow at the irreparable loss which it has sustained.

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